Expressive-E Osmose Pre-Order

cool, I like the exploded view of the touche in that article…

why do they keep saying ‘fall’ , do the french use fall for autumn as well?
( i thought it was purely an american term?!)

also when is ‘mid-fall’, in my mind autumn is sept-nov… so october?

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Mixed feelings.

I want it ASAP, obviously. But if they were ready tomorrow, I’d have to seriously think about cancelling my order rather than trying to pay off the remainder.

(I do have some work lined up, but also
some substantial bills to pay off. So, putting this off 'til closer to November sounds really good right now.)

In related news, I really want a Touché.

(I compulsively built something for it in max, but the next feature is gonna need testing and iterations, and that’s not where I am right now.)

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Fall is September 21 to December 21, so “mid-fall” should be November.

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… and there goes October… and November…
“… deliver Osmose at the end of this year.”

And not even a photo of the real thing…

It’s not just the newsletter that’s Black and grey…

yeah understandable to have delays , but bit disappointing no firmer dates.
the fact they have not asked for the final payment, I suspect is not a good sign…
oh well, it’ll arrive soon enough :slight_smile:

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If there’s going to be a delay in anything, then this is the year it’s going to happen! I’m happy to sit, give them time to sort things.

Inevitably Osmose is delayed…
given the situation,I cannot say Im either surprised or disappointed, rather it just is as it is.

https://mailchi.mp/expressivee/osmosenovembernewsletter-12525374?e=e31cc7c918

but we get some videos :slight_smile:

next update in early 2021, hopefully with good news?!

anyway, personally, I hope 2021 treats everyone more kindly…

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“… look on the bright side of life” ( oh might bring some more great sound design, from EaganMatrix :wink:

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Maybe I’ll just buy something else to keep me interested until they get manufacturing going.

That’s just the road I’ve gone down… I am entering the realm of Eurorack and have just purchased a Mantis case. Expecting it to be filled or nearly so by the time the Osmose arrives.

Hoping for some type of Osmose integration in that way! Wishing us the best!!

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Thank you! I discovered that one directly after I replied. :grinning:

I also found Haken’s own Continuum Voltage Converter, which Expressive E explains would have the best conversion performance. That is according to Expressive E’s general info page for the Osmose. However, I’m unsure of how or why the performance would be better exactly.

From the Expressive E website:

Will Osmose have CV/Gate outputs?

No, Osmose won’t have integrated CV/Gate functionality.

However, you will be able to use external converters from third party manufacturers, e.g. Polyend’s POLY 2.

For best conversion performance, you will also be able to use Haken Audio’s very own Continuum Voltage Converter with Osmose: https://www.hakenaudio.com/voltage-converter

Edit: Fixed link

Does that mean the Osmose will have an i2c jack?

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Very interesting, that would most certainly seem to be the case.

Also, Haken mentioned another product on their page.

µCVC from Evaton Technologies

Not sure if that would be compatible with the Osmose, but it does also use i2c. Hmmmm.

My hunch is the the ic2 devices (CVC and µCVC) give direct access to the wxyz dimension fingerboard input at higher resolution and speed, and without the intermediate MIDI translation steps.

Converting Continuum fingerboard WXYZ data -> MIDI -> CV means you potentially lose a lot. The CVC allows you to map the finger touch direct to a configurable CV level.

I’ve not tried using my Hermod with the MIDI out of my continuum since I have a CVC, but I have tried hooking my Buchla Command 208c direct to the MIDI out and getting it configured well is kind of a pain. I have it working but still haven’t tuned all the MIDI mappings to where I enjoy using my Continuum with the Buchla. Making cables to go from the CVC to Buchla Banana inputs today so hoping that works better!

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I really hope so … this would be fantastic.

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I think so…recently on FB group about the Cmini:
About i2c

Richard Kram

Thom Za

Yes if you set I2C to 0, its for normal pedal,

if you set it to 1 its for CVC (that’s for CV out from Mini) but then you need either a CVC or a uCVC.

If you set i2C to 2, that’s for using CV input into the Mini for control operations in the EaganMatrix.

But you can’t do them at the same time. That will likely not change.

  • I wonder what’s the “special new feature”???
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I’ve never managed to make my c-mini work with my CVC - but my halfsize works great with it. Not sure if it’s my cable making skills or what but so far no luck. [ Update: worked through the issues - it was due to weirdness around cable pin numbers which it seems get labeled differently by different manufacturers. Now the mini works well with the CVC and I imagine the same cable will work for the Osmose. ]

Was using the Continuum+CVC with my Buchla Easel Command this weekend after making some banana leads - it really felt great. Hooking up via midi just isn’t the same as direct CV control from the fingerboard.

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More on CVC vs midi integration from the latest manual:

17.22 Can I use a MIDI-CV Converter with the Slim instead of a CVC?
Yes but there will be limitations as no MIDI-CV converter can do this of this to provide totally smooth analog
conversion. If you want to try and used a MIDI-CV converter for more than standard Note On/Note Off and
Velocity translation it must:

  1. Be able to deal with MPE data as channels will change with every polyphonic note, etc.
  2. Handle the Continuums massive amount of Pitch Bend data (that you may have to reduce to match your
    converter’s max capability)
  3. Be able to deal with Translating aftertouch as Velocity is not useful in replicating the fingerboard’s expression.
  4. Also be able to Handle smooth CC74 conversion
    You will certainly have hiccups, discontinuities, etc from most converters. In short you will get notes played but
    likely lose all the magic of the Continuum. Nothing currently known will get as smooth conversion as the CVC.

This squares with my experience trying to use MIDI instead of my CVC with my analog CV gear.

Looking/sounding good!

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