So- had it a few days now- time to start listing stuff I want 
- Really needs a way to favourite pre-sets (currently just copying them to my user list)
- Option to auto mute outputs (synth) when selecting controller mode
3 Likes
Most of the firmware for the synth engine comes from Haken Audio, so you can send suggestions to support@hakenaudio.com. In my experience, they are extremely helpful, kind, and responsive.
#1 - Thatâs the way to save presets in an accessible place - it isnât called âfavoritesâ, but it achieves the same purpose. Of course, it takes up one of the 128 available slots for custom presets, but Iâd be interested in hearing about anyone that actually has that many (and isnât a Haken Audio team member:-).
#2: When using as a controller, use one of the Midi category presets (e.g. âMPE+ 08 Voiceâ). They donât use the engine at all, so donât generate any audio (plus theyâll run faster).
Caveat: I donât have an Osmose, but the synth engine is the EaganMatrix, which works mostly the same across all devices with the EaganMatrix
2 Likes
I suspect Haken will want to âfieldâ as much support/feature requests via Expressive E as possible.
⌠as some parts of the firmware (e.g. the display/control side) will be by Expressive E not Haken.
but for sure, purely engine side, or the editor is haken audios realm,
- favourites
I did think this too⌠so we dont have to have duplicates in the user slots.
but on reflection, I think, Iâll tend to tweak âmy favouritesâ, so perhaps duplicating is not so bad.
- mute sound engine.
I think this perhaps is conceptually âtrickyââŚ
when you select M-> Ext Midi ⌠although this appears to be a mode, in practice its actually is more like âsettingsâ i.e. the M key is just selecting which âdisplayâ is active⌠not actually putting in a different mode.
in many ways this is a strength (imho), as it means you can layer things - so Id not want that âtaken awayâ
currently the way to âstop thisâ is.
M â global settings â options â haken local control = OFF
its just like other synths I have⌠local control = disconnect synth and surface.
this approach has other uses too⌠e.g. where you want to go via a daw or hardware sequencer.
What could be nice is if Expressive E put this on the main âMâ screen, e.g. encoder 1?
then it would be much quicker to accessâŚ
@pachde the osmose has different presets, and does not include the midi ones.
of course, you could create these in the EM very simply and even use the category.
but they are not there by default.
Interesting - In my Haken Editor installation, there is a folder of presets for the Osmose, and it includes a number of the MIDI presets.
Also got my Osmose yesterday - yay!
Updated the firmware via OsmoseUpdater and then followed the steps to connect to the latest HakenEditor. After that the HakenEditor brought up a message that an update of part 2 of the firmware is needed (which afaik are just the presets). Thus I used to update function in the Editor and it overwrote the presets. Now the message doesnât appear anymore. Am I the only one in that boat?
The playing experience is really great so far! As we are in the feature requests thread:
-
a one button solution to switch off horizontal pitchbend (perhaps separate for the upper and lower two octaves/definable splits) might be helpful. The capability to do these bends is probably the signature feature of Osmose, but I guess in some cases it would be helpful to have no undesired bends (of e,g. accompanying chords).
I know, I can do all this with custom patches in the HakenEditor - such a toggle would prevent having to duplicate presets for just that purpose though. -
One technical inconvenience on Windows: I have to copy the content of the HE folder from the HakenEditor zip file to the folder in c:\User<Username>\AppData\Local\Temp\Temp1_Haken Editor 100x.zip\Haken Editor 100x, otherwise the editor wonât start. This is a little unintuitive (and undocumented).
-
I guess some would prefer a (optional) version of the editor with the runtime on board (so you donât have to install Max) like it was in the past. (I had Max already installed, so personally I am fine with the maxpat)
2 Likes
Re prompt for update File 2.
This is completely normal Eagan Matrix firmware update experience.
Re: Installation on Windows.
This is not necessary. The Haken editor can run from anywhere (just not from the zip file directly). Mine is running out of C:\HakenEditor (Windows 11).
Re. bundled Max runtime.
Haken Audio is working on a new editor that isnât dependent on Max. Until that happens (no known schedule), Iâm guessing it will stay this way, because it enables independent servicing of the Max dependency without needing to wait for the small Haken Audio team to build and release a new bundled version. This is good because there have been a number of issues recently in this category.
2 Likes
Thanks for the feedback! Good to know!
Regarding installation destination. Odd, initially I uncompressed the content of the zip file to a folder on D: - where it complained that it coulndât find some files in HE\ (even though this was in the same folder as the maxpat). But whatever, after copying it to the location it was looking for it works now!
Yes the update file 2 thing is normal but I think expressive e left it out of their page of instructions for getting the editor working.
Hi there !
First suggestion would be : octave +/- on the keyboard should work with midi.
(Hello everyone !)
With initial firmware theyâve made the octave buttons only affect whichever midi layer is being configured by what you currently have on the Osmoses screen. So if you are in screens that control the built in synth, the midi that is affected by octave buttons is the Haken MPE+ midi that comes out of USB port 2. But if you have one of the screens open for configuring âext midiâ then the octave buttons only affect the midi dim and usb midi port 1 output. I raised a ticket about this issue with them last week, didnt get a response yet.
Also if you change octave for the non Haken midi output while holding notes, when you release the notes the wrong note off messages are sent, ones for the new octaves are sent instead of the octaves of the originally held notes, so you end up with stuck notes. I mentioned this to them too. I dont think this issue happens with the Haken Midi and built in synth.
2 Likes
Thanks.
This is indeed a problem. Iâm using Max MSP to experiment building MPE instruments. I have to use Osmose Port 2, and octave wonât change on this port. Youâre right, it will work on Port 1 (useless in this case).
Would love to have option to generate new presets by selecting 2 patches you really like, then Osmose creating a handful of intelligently morphed variations between the two. SoundDiver had that option. I loved it. Would be wonderful for experimenting in stand alone mode without the editor or need for computer.
Also, minor, but wish the < preset button was lit even before using it. Mine is dark until I use it to go back, then it remains lit until power cycling. Unless Iâm missing some purpose of that?
Using the Haken editor and the Continuum User Guide for guidance, it should be possible to layer/split two presets.
as @pachde says, its very easy to layer/split patches in the EM.
but honestly, morphing would be nigh impossible as the usage of YZ varies so much between patches⌠you as musician/sound designer, have to decide whatâs âimportantâ depending upon what you are after.
any generalisation, like cross fading between 2 patches (e.g.) using the mod wheel, you could quite easily to in the EMâŚ
I think the âmain issueâ here is, what you really want is a way to âavoidâ the EM, and unfortunately, I think thats a much bigger topicâŚ
e.g. should the EM be easier to use? should there be a more user friendly option? should
this has been raised many times before⌠many would like this.
but its a large development task, and its very unclear if expressive-e or Haken, would think this is âin scopeâ for Osmose⌠as the EM was clearly marketed as the sound design tool. from day 1.
but never say never
note: any work in this are would likely have to be done by Haken , not expressive e.